we saw with the vice president of the united states, laughing, smiling. ryan's talking, laughing, smiling. these are different instances of him laughing, smiling, shaking his head. what is this telling you that joe biden was doing? >> okay. different people are going to interpret this differently. certainly, it comes across as dismissive. joe biden has some of the most authentic nonverbals. he comes across as very real, almost too -- i mean, it's both a blessing and a curse. >> what are the nonverbals you're talking about that's significant, what he's doing with his hands. what is this all about? >> this is interesting because he's smiling but what he's doing with his hands where he's pulling them up close to his face and actually touching his face, it's something that you do when you're feeling a little threatened and are sort of protecting yourself. >> you're telling me that paul ryan raises his eyebrows a lot. what is the significance of that? show me what you mean, where -- right there, right? >> his eyebrows are raised and his brow is furrowed. his e